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pledges and instead are now claiming the grover norquist is the real problem in washington d.c. fox digital politics center is here with us tonight as is the daily caller stalker carlson. egyptian leader declaring new powers for himself, claiming he won't be just another dictator. just a week ago praised by the obama administration for brokering a ceasefire in gaza, and now the white house is silent on the more -- coupe. middle east expert professor hoover institute senior fellow "wall street journal" as columnist among our guests here tonight. we begin with the president's broad based strategy to conduct our right class warfare against the republican party on the issue of taxes and the fiscal cliff. the white house today released a report from the council of economic advisers. that report claims that if republican lawmakers don't accept the president's fiscal proposals they would be responsible for destroying christmas for the nation's retail sector. the national retail federation is forecasting that holiday sales will grow. if congress does not act on the president's plan to exten
and basically said that their real oath is to america and not to a washington loppiest named grover norquist. >> it's actually true. some republicans have signaled a willingness to buck grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge and raise some new revenue. "the wall street journal" weighed in with a reasonable argument. president obama's re-election means the taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the
? and then someone else? then you know, you know what it feels like tonight. to be grover norquist. >> right now, we are watching both sides start to make their move. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock horror. >> the mythical grover norquist. >> break with their sacred pledge. >> to grover norquist. ♪ another one bites the dust >> nobody's turning on me. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it is not about that pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it really is about trying to solve problems. >> i'm sorry, that's just silly. >> grover norquist is not jesus. >> he can't burn down your house. >> we would highlight whose kept their commitment. >> this guy's a political lone shark. >> nobod
to see old friends and distant relatives. >> i'm making a pledge to my friend grover norquist. you're in "the cycle," and you have my word it's going to be good. >>> the case against ambassador susan rice as a successor to hillary clinton deepens. she went to the hill today to smooth it over with senators mccain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do
've got drama. oh, my god they might stop live living to grover norquist's pledge. he's the guy who says, no tax increases--ever! here is a collection of republicans. even an and of fox news action saying, i don't think so grover. >> i'll violate the pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know what he wants to do or not want to do with his pledge. >> a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. >> republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everybody should be on the table. >> the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid the coming grief. >> it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i gave when i served. >> getting in difficult situations in relationships in general when you make people sign on the dotted line and then crucify them if they ever decide to change their mind. >> cenk: you know it's over when they send fox news anchors to say wrap this up. grover why don't you roll over. this is a catch. when they say they'
be part of the talkings. talks. meanwhile, many are turning their back on the pledge to grover norquist. >> times changed significantly and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> i agree, a pledge signed 20 years ago is for that congress. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table we're build historic averages. >> it does appear that speaker boehner is open to talk about revenue entitlement reform. >> eliot: jay carney said the white house welcomed those comments and grover norquist tried to make light of them. >> some of them have engaged in impure thoughts. they have not actually voted for a tax increase. >> eliot: norquist drawing the red line of any revenue even if new funds came from closing loopholes and limiting deductions. >> if you do that, you've just killed tax reform for a generation. why? how do you get the rates down if you don't have the deductions in credits. what obama is hoping to do is raise taxes spend the money, kill tax reform for individual. >> eliot: meanwhile, some democrats would ra
on to grover norquist and some of the colleagues taking a different tact on the pledge. what do you think of this? >> i admire grover norquist. he has a role to play in the search air i don't of the republican party. i have always been against ethanol subsidies, sugar subsidies, all of those things that i thought were wasteful and unnecessariful and the result of special interests. i am still opposed to rate increases. all of my career i have again to the floor and fault against the unwarranted subsidies that were directly a result lobbying rather than the national good. >>neil: you disagree when he says getting rid of those breaks or allowances, without corresponding spending cuts, that breaks the pledge? >>guest: no i don't if it breaks the pledge or not but i am opposed to the tax rate increase because i think it hurts the economy and i think most economists that i respect believe that but throughout my career i v gone to the floor time after time on the appropriations bills and the farm bills that have the important earmarks, the terrible and egregious subsidies which i have opposed a
to the pledge i know you signed with grover norquist. he said i'm okay with closing loopholes, but it has to be revenue neutral. but everyone knows to get a deal done, it can't be neutral. are you open to a deal that is not revenue neutral? >> what i'm open to is the idea of acknowledging the fact that we can bring in on average 18.5% of gdp through our revenue stream. that's what our tax system is capable of doing in the united states. that remains a constant. whether or top rate is at 35% as it is now or 75% as it was back in the early 1980s. that's a relative concept. what i want is for us to produce a steady stream of 18.5% rather than having these peeks and valleys. last year, we had a valley of about 14.5%. other years, closer to 20%. we want a steady, even, 18.5%. >> but to get from 14.5 to 18.5 is not revenue neutral. >> to get to there is not revenue neutral in the immediate sense, but what i'm saying is that if it produces on average 18% of gdp and that's going to keep us constant, that is arguably revenue neutral. in the long run, i think everyone would benefit. it would be rev
up in a limited way to a beltway power broker named grover norquist over the 1980s era pledge he pressures to sign. promising not to raise taxes, any taxes, ever. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge, i made tennessee ans aware i am honoring the oath when i'm sworn in this january. >> that's one of the handful of republican lawmakers repudiating the pledge. he joins us shortly. i'll ask him to be more specific about whether that means higher tax rates for high incomes are on the table. something president obama campaigned and won re-election on. senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions. >> late today in the situation room, republican kevin mccarthy, the ho
putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans and 13 under democratic control. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to politics and "hardball." abortion politics, particularly anti-abortion politics, has been a guiding principle of republican politics for decades. yesterday senator john mccain stepped back from the edge and seemed to say it was time
is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can spend more money, not reining in spending. we need focus on spending problems because that's the problem we have. >> warren buffett wrote this fascinating piece in the "new york times" today. you're familiar with it today. suppose they come to you with an investment idea. i'm in it. i think you should be, too. would your reply be
rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts on television, they won't really act on them. >> i've had long conversations with lindsey graham. he said i would raise taxes if and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. as i suggested to him, i said, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> whether he does or doesn't bet on taxes, pundits in washington seem terribly impressed that senator graham and others are even talking about going against grover norquist. keeping them honest, though, outside the beltway, most people don't know grover norquist from grover on sesame street. standing up to a lobbyist and even a powerful one is only washington progress, not real progress. first step maybe even a necessary one, but only that. so is going on sunday talk shows as both republicans and democrats are doing and talking about flexibi
of six couldn't get it done. how are the people going to get it done? we have grover norquist saying all the people allegedly are going to violate their pledge, only lindsey graham said yes, we'll violate it. the rest of them are waiting for democrats to come up. >> bob: is there a way to been a grover norquist's name from the show? >> why? >> dana: let me ask you about the road show. president obama goes out and talks about raising taxes on the rich. there is a cob stitch whensy in america says it's the right thing to do. boehner says if we had more re-knew we'll get in a different way. we think raising rates hurts the economy and we'll reduce the deductions to get the same place. but with president obama's road show he doesn't answer the question he brought up in 2010. what are you going to do about entitlements and how would you make it better? i don't think raising retirement age will solve the problem. >> brian: my head will explode. we keep saying we have to balance the budget. the math doesn't add up. number two, go in and roll up the shres and get it done behind closed doors. if
. a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans
up to the numbers you nid at this point. >> we've seen republicans break with grover norquist and put revenues on the table. on the other side of that, here's what a few democrats are saying about entitlements. >> i think people are dreaming if they think we're going to get a deal on entitlements in three weeks. that's just not going to happen. and i think it would be irresponsible to try to come up with any approach to entitlement reform in such a compressed period of time. >> yes or no, do you support raising the retirement age? >> no, i do not support raising the retirement age. >> is that likely to be a bigger sticking point than revenue? or do we not know yet? >> well, i think that's the critical question facing democrats here. are they going to cave and allow, you know, the new deal and the great society programs to be a part of this supposed grand bargain? or are they not? as of now, they are not part of the deal. this is about defense cuts, discretionary spending, and it's about tax cuts. only if the democrats agree to bring in the programs for the elderly and poor and middle
for tax reform president grover norquist had almost like a widt wizard of oze grip on republicans for years. you can't even entertain hiking taxes would -- without guaranteeing further cuts down the road, republicans by and large have stuck to that but now post this election, we've seen a half dozen prominent republican senator saying that this no tax hike pledge may not be useful any more, you see just some who share that view. grover is no longer oz. just a cranky guy behind a curtain, pulling the crank, a wizard of oz reference, i thought it was the good, many here did not. mark meckler said they will make a mistake with that julie disagrees, julie, what do you see at risk here? >> you know pledges are what you make when but to church you pledge your truth to husband or wife, not something you make in politics, you do not know what is going to happen down the road, people like peter king who made a pledge 25 years ago. times have changed. have you two wars that are not funded. have you a medicare prescription drug plan that a lot of these republicans voted for, not funded. you
's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. s
. igor, is grover over? >> yeah, they're saying no to norquist. >> bill: some senators. >> to be fair, he makes this point, first of all nobody has voted for tax increase yet. and they haven't in a very long time. so he accused them of having impure thoughts on tv. those are his words not mine. but nobody has actually cast a vote. >> bill: a republican having impure thoughts? >> is that against the law? >> tony perkins is going to jump on this, too. so there's that. there is also -- these folks -- chambliss saxby chambliss were georgia, mccain, they flirted with this idea of increasing revenue in the past. this isn't too new for them. until we see actually policy proposals that differ from romney's plan of disclosing loopholes and finding revenue that way, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions this is a big shift in republican thinking. >> bill: they haven't voted for anything. they haven't broken the pledge. we may be open to new revenue but never no, no, no way. will we raise tax rates on the wea
they don't feel bound anymore by that americans for tax reform pledge that grover norquist pledge. most recently house majority leader eric cantor seemed to have a little wiggle room there. do you expect to see more republicans coming out here? >> the floodgates have certainly opened and i suspect we'll see more republicans talk about the need for resolution. we have a new cnn poll in the last 24 hours that show that if this is not resolved, that republicans will take a majority of the blame, and not president obama. so i think we will see more republicans start to break away from that pledge. but, on the other side, though, democrats are also going to have to come to the table, and do some compromise. we saw senate minority leader mitch mcconnell talk about it yesterday on the senate floor. see what he has to say. >> republicans have stepped out of our comfort zone, and yet we remain at an impasse. leading us to ask, why? because a vocal minority on the hard left continues to argue to leaders of their party from the president on down, that democrats in washington should do absolutely n
and what they define it as. grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like misso
other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic growth is the number one component to a solution. what all these senators are saying is they'll take a look at their pledge only if the president puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you woul
, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled
're all getting this refresher course on grover norquist, though i was talking to john avalon yesterday and he said don't -- message to republicans, don't fear the grover. we know norquist is a lobbyist for years, he prevailed upon republicans, not signing -- not raising taxes by signing this pledge. no revenues whatsoever. moments ago, democrat chuck schume wear was on the senate f bidding grover norquist good riddance. watch this. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to
trigger but grover norquist, a frequent guest year. the anti-tax pledge many republicans signed. with more on this republican senator mike lee of utah. always good to see you. thank you for coming on. a growing number of republican senators who are dissing themselves from grover. take a look at this. the list goes on and on. will you back away from grover and his pledge? >> the pledge i made regarding taxes to that have to do with any one individual. what i'd made for my constituents, the voters of utah who elected me in part because i was willing to acknowledge of washington has a spending problem, far more than a revenue problem. voters in utah recognize the fact that when you raise taxes which economic growth. that is what we need the least right now. we need new growth, new jobs, and that is why i'm shying away from a tax increase. gerri: it's interesting because democrats keep pushing grover into the spotlight making him a bogyman. >> an obstacle standing beyond, plan -- congress and compromise. for years norquist has believe lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or the promis
activist tax person, grover norquist. two prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break it over the weekend. but more importantly, will the house republicans feel the same way? >> i will tell you when i go to the constituents that reelected me, it is not about the pledge, but really about trying to solve problems. >> reporter: and brian, that is the problem here despite all the happy talk from senate republicans about the potential for compromising on taxes. the real action is between those house republicans elected by the more conservative group and the white house. we have a long way to go. >>> chuck todd on the white house lawn for us, thank you, and with due respect, while washington is one thing, and we know how they act. if this happens it will affect american lives and households millions strong. >>> tonight, we asked sharon epperson to go over this with us, it would be about personal finance >> it certainly would be, brian, and we're talking about nearly every taxpayer that will be affected. the first place you will see it is on your federal tax rate going up for
increases of any kind that virtually every elected republican has signed. grover norquist is behind that pledge considered one of the most powerful men in washington and has convinced thousands of republicans to sign the pledge. with fiscal calamity on the horizon some gop lawmakers are changing their tune. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. >> president has made clear, he will not sign a bill that extents the bush era tax cuts for those making more than $250,000. >> some republicans open to breaking the say they will do it by closing tax loopholes they say entitlement reform has to be part of the discussion. both sides are counting on negotiators to find common ground. >>> if you have a lot of holiday errands you may want to get it done today before the storm gates open. >>> we have three systems that are headed our way over the next several days. first tomorrow morning doppler showing all the cloud cover this morning. we are looking dry, we may see sprinkles throughout the shoreline today, otherwise the fog once again across the bay that i
've sworn in in january. >> that is the sound of cracks forming in grover norquist's facade. he's the guy who gets republicans to sign a pledge that they will never ever under any circumstances raise taxes. but with the fiscal cliff looming, there's a growing consensus that taxes may have to go up. norquist said those who reneged would pay a price. >> would you target some of them? >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> fortunately for grover, but unfortunately for those who want everyone to contribute their fair share there are plenty of republicans caught in the pass, plenty who can't accept that president obama won reelection >> there are some republicans who recognize they did lose and that new revenue new tax revenue will have to be part of any deficit deal. i noticed mitch mcconnell's talked about tax rates. he's going to insist that tax rates not go any higher. you've got the mathematicians trying to raise the numbers. you can exact the rate throughout a person's entire income. they're looking for ways to finagle this. republicans are going
their antitax pledge to some extent to make a deal on the fiscal cliff. we're going to talk to grover norquist the man behind the tax pledge, whether his tax agreement may be out of date. bill: watch this story now, central kaj re, tahrir square, thousands of protestors back inside that square setting up tents over night, condemning the recent power grab by its new president. something the white house so far has failed to do, so should they? we'll debate that with bob and andrea. >> to assume this kind of pow iris unacceptable to the united states of america. then we can outline what actions can be taken, but first condemn it. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. bill: former florida governor jeb bush already generating a bit of buzz about 2016. he held a meeting with former staffers in washington right around the corner from the white house, and the governor would not comment on the possibility of a presidential run, instead saying he was there to catch up with folks
of grover norquist. but as senator lindsey graham says, rejecting the pledge comes with strings attached. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so get out the gun and hold it to our head, right? both democrat and republican w lawmakers are giving the impression that a deal can be reached as long as there are cuts near and dear to a lot of americans, medicare and medicaid. david plouffe's comments give credence to that idea. progressive lawmakers are thinking i thought we had the election. bernie sanders from vermont has spoken about the need to protect programs for the middle class. he released this statement to the ed show tonight what david plouffe has state concerns me deeply despite his assertions the american people have been clear both through their votes in the election and in poll after poll after poll at a time when the middle class is disappearing and the number of people living in poverty is at an all-time high. the american people have demanded there be no cuts to the social security, med
. >> if grover norquist on the right and entrenched radical democrats, are they forcing deals like this? ralcorp -- >> no. you know what they are forcing? special dividends. >> yes, they are. >> declaring special dividends ahead of possible tax increases related to the fiscal cliff. las vegas sands, the largest single donor in the history of politics, has approved a special dividend. $2.75 a share. retailer dillard's says it will pay a one-time dividend of $5 in december and the home of jack daniels a cash dividend of $4 a share. i don't know how large the dillard family is. these dividends are very important to some of these families. the walton family when walmart did it saved $180 million as a result if in fact we see dividend taxes go to 39.6 from where they currently are. family run companies. sheldon is a big shareholder in las vegas sands. you pay a dividend and you are avoiding potentially an increase in the tax bill as a result of paying it earlier. >> adelson loses in the election so he realizes rates are going higher so he pays a special -- >> i don't know what the numbers add up to.
people want. basically, the grover norquist pledge stuff it's just a load of [bleep] because they're making noises as if raising taxes on the rich is not and thank god, the white house is already calling them on it. but anyways think progress said voters rejected romney's tax plan and president obama won reelection. republican's expressed interest in raising ref too. you go they are disavowing the pledge and coming to the table and blah blah blah. their public concessions the kind of policy voters overwhelmingly rejected. how do you lose in a landslide and say how about mitt romney's plan. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> how about that. what do you think of that? that guy me. not president. >> tax reform that does not increase marge national tax rates on the richest americans but eliminates tax loopholes. paul ryan's budget, also the loser of the last election. on one hand, somebody wrote republicans would get the tax breaks they want, republicans would also get the entitlement changes they want. the party and media are presenting it as a big concession and urge democrats to back it. th
that and the going gets rough that they have an argument with me. >> so that is grover norquist if you don't already know. you probably should because he is making a lot of tv appearances. that was piers morgan tonight -- last night. >>> his group, american for tax reform is behind that no-tax pledge that's signed by the majority of republicans in congress. but now a few high-profile members of the gop are openingly questioning their pledge and saying it may stand in the way of getting a fiscal cliff deal done. that's one side of the equation. in exchange, those republicans say, look, we'll back down. but not if we don't get something for it. we want some entitlement reform. here are the big three entitlements -- social security, medicaid, and medicare, combined they make up 43% of federal spending last year. joining me is john avalon, cnn contributor, senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast. "and all around very smart person. you have a column out about this. it's great reading. a lot of math in it. tons of math. >> i was told there would be no math, but there's math. >> a ch
out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cli
that come with it. >> world changed. >> the no neweh9hn taxes pledges the brain child of grover norquist. >> the pledge allows elected officials to make it clear openly to the voters where they stand. >> here in washington he carries weight as evidenced by lawmaker xgh signed the pledge over the years. norquist told abc news this isn't about him and lawmaker autos don't tell me bit. they need tochl plain to voters.twrht >> there is still a catch. >> i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if democrats will do reform. >> the white house indicated everything is part of the discussion. >> abc news, washington. >> stocks gave back a little of last weeks gain was traders concerned with about the fiscal cliff. dow jones gave back 42 points to finish at 12,967. the s and p 500 off nearly three. >> jipgss planned a real yeel against a recent power grab by president morsi. a shawl but vocal group demonstrated again today in tahrir square. emfeel he is acting like a dictateor. the u.s. says his power grab goes against the spirit of the revolution. >> morsi says he acted within
increases of any kind, period. behind it all, this man, grover norquist, considered one of the most powerful men in washington. since he worked for ronald reagan in the 1980s, he's gotten virtually every elected republican to sign a pledge promising no tax increases. >> a taxpayer-friendly congress. >> reporter: they sign it to help get elected and don't violate it for fear of getting hammered for breaking their word. now how many of these things have been signed? >> pledges? >> reporter: yes. >> thousands over the years. >> reporter: he keeps them all on file. here's john boehner's pledge signed 20 years ago. if somebody signed this 10 years ago or 18 years ago, 20 years ago, are they still bound by it? >> now when you got married, did your wife understand there was an expiration date on that promise? when you borrowed money to buy your house, did you say, "oh geez, that mortgage? that was ten years ago. you're still asking me for money?" you know, if you make a commitment, you make a commitment. >> reporter: the pledge is the biggest obstacle to any deal that would raise taxes, but with a
that no tax increase pledge that many of them signed, a pledge created by lobbyist grover norquist. house majority leader eric cantor, senator lindsey graham of south carolina and senator saxby chambliss of georgia all said there could be an increase in tax revenue if democrats agreed to controlling the cost of medicare and medicaid. >> there's a right way to do this and there's a wrong way to do it. but at the end of the day, nancy what's got to happen is whoever's right or wrong here we've got to get the economy going again. >> reporter: chambliss and virginia democrat mark warner head up the senate's gang of eight-- four democrats and four remembers who have worked for two and a half years to find a bipartisan approach to debt reduction. do you think your democratic colleagues are going to be willing to entertain discussion of social security reform, medicare reform as part of this deal? >> listen, i think anyone that looks at our entitlements, medicare, social security, other programs, they're great programs. but the math just doesn't work anymore. not because the programs are bad but
about entitlement reforms. rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that is their take on tax hikes. eddie, on our line for independents, you are next. caller: i think president obama was elected to make the hard costs. host: what you mean? caller: he was elected to make a choice for the country. the majority of the country. the republicans are wrong and he is right. and i think that he should let us what the fiscal cliff because the republicans are scrambling out trying to change everything. they need to mow them out. and change it then. but i think they should let them go off the cliff. host: are you on medicare and social security? having yes. cliff wranglers way medicare age. can the country afford to continue on this road? paying what we pay for medicare? caller: we can afford it but it is a necessary evil. we have got to of the people stand firm and put the country back on a track that everyone can understand it. there will no
's your first look at this morning's dish of "scrambled politics." grover norquist as an unusual way of describing republicans who might abandon his anti-tax pledge to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> well, things got personal between senate majority leader harry immediate and minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday. mcconnell is angry about reid's plan to end filibusters on so-called motions to proceed done before any final debate. >> shutting off our right to express the views of our constituents as is being proposed would effectively shut these people out of the process. he will break the rules of the senate in order to change the rules of the senate. >> americans believe congress is broken. once again, the only ones who disagree with mitch mcconnell and republicans in congress. >>> another senator, dianne feinstein of california, set an election-day record after receiving the most votes e
like spoiled children. >> oh. >> as opposed to responsible adults. >>> meanwhile, grover norquist is offering a reminder to republicans in congress who are thinking about breaking their anti-tax pledge in order to reach a deal. >> we could ask president bush, george herbert walker bush, how his second term went after he broke his pledge. did he damage the pledge, or did by breaking his pledge, he lost a second term for the presidency because he had not kept his word with the american people? >> at some point they need to let him go. >>> new york governor andrew cuomo is making his case for federal aid in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. governor cuomo said the storm could cost the state nearly $42 billion, and new yorkers would need federal help footing the bill. while acknowledging that more people died during hurricane katrina in 2005, the governor said that sandy's damage was actually more widespread. >> when you look at the number of homes and businesses affected, this storm affected many, many more people in places than katrina. and arguably, therefore, this created more hou
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